Posts Tagged ‘handling-information-flows’

Personal views become more "prayerful" in UBF

September 1, 2004

It is my experience that “prayerful” can be a loaded word in UBF. If you have been in the group long enough, and a view that you express in a sogam is not in line with the view of someone above you [most likely your view could be construed as slightly critical of a UBF leader], you are likely to be told to revise your view to make it more “prayerful”. The following is a post about my observation of such an evolution in one UBF man’s public thoughts on the Internet (at

Date Posted: 13:29:43 08/03/04 Tue
Author: Joe
Subject: Personal views become more “prayerful” in UBF
In reply to: Chris ‘s message, “”breakdown in communications”” on 09:11:20 07/28/04 Wed

>Why can we only read Brian’s view (which is not
>representative for UBF, as he claims himself), and
>never UBF’s official view?

The thing is that no one in UBF who holds any sort of position in the hierarchy, the ‘spiritual order’, really has the freedom to express their personal views non-anonymously. He writes that he has recently obtained a more “prayerful” understanding of opposing views about UBF. I know that UBF code word, “prayerful.” It means, “more in line with what my leader(s) dictate.”

He has written recently, “I know that the reason for terminating the [NAE] membership was due to a breakdown in communications, not due to allegations being true.” Yet in the past, on the same site, he had written to the effect that “he had no doubt that all or most of what former members alleged actually happened” (with the large caveat that the incidents were probably just due to “cultural differences”); that statement is no longer evident on his site. I guess this means that he has somehow obtained a more “prayerful” view.

He used to have something on the site to the effect that “some have been hurt in UBF and have left.” There is no such statement on the site anymore that I can find.

He used to have something on the site to the effect that “many of the past problems in UBF could be attributed to the actions of one man [we know who that one man is].” There is no such statement on the site anymore that I can find.

His site has seemingly drifted further and further toward the official UBF party line, or as he puts it, it’s become more “prayerful”. Whether someone told him to make it more “prayerful” or it was a decision he made on his own, this is the fate of independent thinking in all those who commit themselves to UBF. I’ve come to know that the Samuel Lee praiseology delivered by my mother at the last “UBF Founder’s Day” was not as grandiose of a praiseology until the arch-Lee-devotee, Ban Toh, got in the position of editing it.

"Handling the Information Flows"

December 22, 2003

Very astute post by Alexandre Repkine the other day:

Date Posted: 01:29:07 12/18/03 Thu

Author: Alexandre Repkine

Subject: handling the information flows

For many years I was thinking what the secret of UBF power was and I finally figured that out. It’s not the money, it’s not their superior intellectual or spiritual power, it’s the way they isolate their members (including themselves) from the “undesirable” information. When I was a kid I lived in the Soviet Union where information controls were instilled just the way they are in UBF. Because of that I believed the West is all evil, South Korea is a puppet and I’m just lucky to live in the paradise for workers and peasants. When perestroika came it was painful to get disillusioned, but I’m grateful this revelation has happened to me.

There’s been a lot of talk here about how to counterweigh the UBF control and power. Sad as it is, it is impossible to do anything unless the information barrier is broken. But how can one break it in a legal way? Send ’em letters–they won’t even read it before throwing out. Try to meet them–they won’t let you in. E-mails returned unread, phone calls not returned at all, any discussion killed at its conception, no criticism accepted–how can one deal with it? They’ve no links to the sites like this one on their websites, they take up all of the members’ time leaving them no chance to learn of a different viewpoint.

I recently sent an E-mail to my former shepherd here in Korea asking her some questions–foolish me, of course she never answered..

Sorry for sounding so angry at the Christmas time, but thanks to the UBF any Christian holiday became a nightmare for me. We went to one of our professors’ home the other Saturday, he turned out to be member of the UBF-like cult. There were muslims and hindus among us, never mind, he and his wife wanted us to sing Christian songs. I got so angry I couldn’t hold it inside of me.

Finally, now that I’ve lived here for almost three years (in Seoul) I can assure you the UBF Koreans have nothing in common with the normal Koreans except for the language (even the language is being screwed up in UBF actually). That last remark is meant for those who generalize their UBF experience to the whole Korean nation–don’t do that, trust me, there’s nothing wrong with Koreans, it’s all the UBF mentality (or rather the lack of it) that makes things look so ugly.

I remember the very angry, fearful and panicked reactions of some UBF people back in early 2001 when they found out I was reading the ugly secrets about UBF and Samuel Lee on the internet.