Posts Tagged ‘control’

"Tradegies in UBF: Abandon Your Child"

July 9, 2004

Something that was posted by someone recently:

Date Posted: 10:57:53 07/09/04 Fri
Author: Sorry for those Children
Subject: Tradegies in UBF: Abandon Your Child

Here’s a tradegy that went on in UBF that I think needs to be discussed more:

Samuel Lee/UBF leaders made members give up their children. Before Barbara D. could “marry by faith” in UBF she was told that she had to give up her child that she had had through an immoral relationship [This was back around 2000, if I recall correctly]. If I remember correctly, her child was about 7 when she was told to give him/her up in order to marry Jerry Robinson. And from what I remember, she did give up her child for adoption. I was told she had to do this to start a new life and that a future husband wouldn’t want someone already with a child. This is so sad, tragic and evil. If Barbara became a Christian her sins are forgiven, including getting pregnant outside of marriage. Samuel Lee and other UBF leaders should have encouraged her to continue to take responsibility for the wrong choice she made earlier by taking care of her child. Instead, the-ever-so warped Samuel Lee pushed her to give up her child as the only way for her to get married in UBF.

There are other cases: Jacob Kim told me he was married before to someone else in UBF. Together they had a son. His wife had mental issues and they divorced (I don’t remember if Samuel Lee told them to divorce or if she was critical of UBF– does anyone know?). Samuel Lee also told Jacob Kim to give up his son for adoption and then to re-marry in UBF which he did. A few years ago I asked him if he sees his son and has a relationship with him and he said no. I just don’t understand these things. I think this is so wrong. You don’t abandon your child. You love them, take responsibility for them and care for them.

Remember Samuel Lee also tried to make Rebekah Yoon give up her child to the Joungs. In fact, they did have him for about 9-10 months, if I remember correctly. Who else did Samuel Lee do this to? Kathy Calabrese also wrote in her testimony that when she was pregnant with her 5th child Samuel Lee told her to give up her baby for adoption after birth. Thank God Kathy refused and stood her ground even though Samuel Lee later slandered her. He lied and said Kathy was so burdened financially by their 5th child and that somehow she ruined the Northeastern ministry. Did Samuel Lee do this horrible, evil thing to anyone else???

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"Handling the Information Flows"

December 22, 2003

Very astute post by Alexandre Repkine the other day:

Date Posted: 01:29:07 12/18/03 Thu

Author: Alexandre Repkine

Subject: handling the information flows

For many years I was thinking what the secret of UBF power was and I finally figured that out. It’s not the money, it’s not their superior intellectual or spiritual power, it’s the way they isolate their members (including themselves) from the “undesirable” information. When I was a kid I lived in the Soviet Union where information controls were instilled just the way they are in UBF. Because of that I believed the West is all evil, South Korea is a puppet and I’m just lucky to live in the paradise for workers and peasants. When perestroika came it was painful to get disillusioned, but I’m grateful this revelation has happened to me.

There’s been a lot of talk here about how to counterweigh the UBF control and power. Sad as it is, it is impossible to do anything unless the information barrier is broken. But how can one break it in a legal way? Send ’em letters–they won’t even read it before throwing out. Try to meet them–they won’t let you in. E-mails returned unread, phone calls not returned at all, any discussion killed at its conception, no criticism accepted–how can one deal with it? They’ve no links to the sites like this one on their websites, they take up all of the members’ time leaving them no chance to learn of a different viewpoint.

I recently sent an E-mail to my former shepherd here in Korea asking her some questions–foolish me, of course she never answered..

Sorry for sounding so angry at the Christmas time, but thanks to the UBF any Christian holiday became a nightmare for me. We went to one of our professors’ home the other Saturday, he turned out to be member of the UBF-like cult. There were muslims and hindus among us, never mind, he and his wife wanted us to sing Christian songs. I got so angry I couldn’t hold it inside of me.

Finally, now that I’ve lived here for almost three years (in Seoul) I can assure you the UBF Koreans have nothing in common with the normal Koreans except for the language (even the language is being screwed up in UBF actually). That last remark is meant for those who generalize their UBF experience to the whole Korean nation–don’t do that, trust me, there’s nothing wrong with Koreans, it’s all the UBF mentality (or rather the lack of it) that makes things look so ugly.

I remember the very angry, fearful and panicked reactions of some UBF people back in early 2001 when they found out I was reading the ugly secrets about UBF and Samuel Lee on the internet.

Why Might People Stay In Cults & Abusive Churches?

December 21, 2003

Something I posted in July on RsqUBF:

Date Posted: 18:45:41 07/20/03 Sun
Author: Joe
Subject: Why might people stay in cults & abusive churches?

Here’s something from the Apologetics Index about why people might stay in cults & abusive churches: http://www.apologeticsindex.org/s26.html?FACTNet

Excerpt:

The first time I saw the parallel between my own experiences in the cult of Scientology and battered women was when I was reading ”Captive Hearts, Captive Minds,” which is an excellent book. It was in the Intro or maybe the first chapter that they cited and quoted the singer Tina Turner who had been in an abusive relationship for something like 10 or 15 years. She remarked how being with Ike Turner was like being in a small cult. The remark jumped off the page at me. Given the success of Tina Turner as an entertainer, one is not prone to say she is a stupid woman but there she was in a marriage where she was beaten constantly and yet she stayed. When she finally escaped, as she tells her story, it was after a beating that left her head so swollen that she couldn’t put on a wig. She wrapped her head in a scarf and fled, taking no money or anything and finally got away from Ike Turner.

One wonders how often she has been asked since, ”Tina, you’re such a talented woman, so intelligent, how could you stay with a man for 10/15 years who was beating you?” Maybe she has an answer in her autobiography. I don’t know. It is on my to-read list. But I know she was asked that question. Every woman who escapes a man who has been beating them must get that question and it is probably the hardest one in the world to answer. After all, it’s not that you don’t KNOW you’re getting beaten. And it didn’t happen just once. Nor twice. It happens week after week, month after month, year after year.

Nor are these women locked up. The husband goes off to work, for example, and she has a car. She gets in the car and she goes to the store, buys food, and brings it home, to the very place where she is being beaten and she makes dinner. She doesn’t keep driving. SHE COMES BACK. To what? More abuse.

It was back around 1991 when I first said to myself about UBF, “I can’t stand this cult anymore. I need to get out.” I stayed 10 more years, and in those 10 years said the same thing to myself several more times after experiencing or witnessing abuse after abuse. I am not the only one who has done that. A certain “spiritual giant” in Chicago has reportedly done that more than once. UBF praises people who “overcome their human emotion” and decide not to “run away.” But each time that we say to ourselves, “I can’t stand this any more,” and “overcome our human emotion,” it does not make us better, it does not make us better Christians, it does not make us better human beings. It makes us worse, it only worsens the hurt, it only deepens the wounds.

UBF Leaders and Pharaoh

December 8, 2003

A “curious/questioning/fence-sitting” Korean UBF member named “B. J. Kang” wrote in an October RsqUBF discussion thread called “UBF Interventions?”:

>And recently I had some discussion with a chief leader

>in Korea UBF, but in my feeling he wouldn’t hear my

>thoughts and discuss seriously anythings. His chief

>insists were fruits. Really there are growing numbers

>in Korean UBF and much sincere efforts from coworkers

>in ubf for God’s mission.

To which I commented:

This UBF practice of constantly quashing any discussion and thought with the whip of “mission” is not new. It reminds me of Pharaoh in Exodus:

But the king of Egypt said, “Moses and Aaron, why are you taking the people away from their labor? Get back to your work!” Then Pharaoh said, “Look, the people of the land are now numerous, and you are stopping them from working.” That same day Pharaoh gave this order to the slave drivers and foremen in charge of the people: “You are no longer to supply the people with straw for making bricks; let them go and gather their own straw. But require them to make the same number of bricks as before; don’t reduce the quota. They are lazy; that is why they are crying out, ‘Let us go and sacrifice to our God.’ Make the work harder for the men so that they keep working and pay no attention to lies.” (Ex 5:4-9)

Pharaoh said, “Lazy, that’s what you are-lazy! That is why you keep saying, ‘Let us go and sacrifice to the LORD .’ Now get to work. You will not be given any straw, yet you must produce your full quota of bricks.” ( Ex 5:17-18 )

BTW, any former UBF fellowship leader under Samuel Lee would be able to tell you that Pharaoh’s words and attitude in Exodus are almost directly tranferable to Lee.

If you are not a former UBF fellowship leader under Samuel Lee, see the section, “Abuses related to recruiting numbers and quotas” in my personal story.

How Discipling/Shepherding Has Gone Awry in UBF

December 4, 2003

After reading a few old articles from ubfnet.com by an “anonymous USA missionary” (who is most probably Daniel Hong, based on the writing style) at escapeubf, I’m beginning to understand how discipling/shepherding has gone awry in UBF. Ask a UBF leader today why UBF puts such emphasis on obedience to a human shepherd. If they give you an honest answer (as the “anonymous USA missionary” did), they will say that UBF believes that obedience to one’s shepherd (and one’s shepherd’s shepherds) is the practical expression of one’s acceptance of Jesus’ lordship or the practical expression of “denying oneself.” You will sometimes hear from UBF leaders that “all we are doing is teaching students to have practical Christian faith.” That “practical” Christian faith by UBF standards is almost always measured by one’s obedience to one’s human shepherds, and probably the ultimate expression of “practical” faith in UBF is leaving one’s choice of marriage partner in the hands of one’s human shepherds.

So in UBF, one’s human shepherd is the proxy (I don’t know if that’s the right word) of Jesus’ lordship in one’s life. In UBF, the practical expression of Jesus’ lordship in one’s life is practically impossible (even unthinkable) without the interposing presence of one’s human shepherds (the so-called “servants of God”).

Getting back to the “anonymous USA missionary,” when he goes to the Bible to defend UBF’s understanding of Jesus’ lordship he begins with the example of Moses who, “practically” speaking, was to be obeyed as if he were God by the people and even by his older brother Aaron. So, the “anonymous USA missionary,” who I believe honestly expresses what’s in the “collective mind” of UBF, shows that he can’t understand Jesus’ lordship in a Christian’s life unless he thinks of Jesus’ lordship in terms of the requirement to obey a proxy lord, one’s human shepherd, one’s personal Moses.

If a UBF defender is honest, as the “anonymous USA missionary” was, they have to admit that UBF’s discipling/shepherding principles are very similar to those developed by the “Fort Lauderdale Five” and their “Shepherding Movement” of the 1970s-80s.